Our system supports the poor taking on tens of thousands of dollars in debt for a certificate that rarely leads anywhere rather than supporting those same people getting an actual degree for nothing or limited debt. Our system does not support the education that will get them further employment and wages. It does not support the education that will lead to higher degrees and wages and more job opportunities. It does not support the education that carries with it a level of respect. Instead it supports a limited area of education that is overflowing with graduates that continue to not be able to find work and is only good in the area trained in. And in fact, our system is penalizing anyone who takes the initiative to get a better education without the tens of thousands in debt. Our system continues to support keeping the poorest of the poor down, not helping them get up and stand tall. Instead if they are lucky enough to actually find work in their limited area of 'expertise' they do it starting off with unimaginable levels of debt. So, they continue to struggle to survive because even though they have now found employment they have all that debt to pay back as well.
Now tell me the system doesn't need to be fixed. Tell me it isn't broken. Tell me there is logic in this system. And if you still are not convinced then let me add that if a person chooses to just sit and rot on aid then they can. All the better for them. Then they do not have the plethora of hoops to jump through to better their situation. And if you add popping out a kid here and there a person can have a pretty cush life. A struggling life but still one not lacking in food, cash, medical, education (if you can really call it that), and any other number of options to pick from.... And with all the bitching and complaining this nation does about having to aid the poor, they punish the poor for what the government has created. For what the government has forced them to choose from. From what the government chooses to support. IT IS YOUR GOVERNMENT THAT IS FUCKING YOU!! IT IS NOT THE POOR! WAKE THE FUCK UP!
22 The enrollment status of a student shall begin on the first day of the school term of the institution
of higher education. Once a student enrolls in an institution of higher education, such enrollment
shall be deemed to continue through normal periods of class attendance, vacation and recess
unless the student graduates, is suspended or expelled or drops out.
So, to clarify this bit from the State Food Stamp Regulation Manual- if you were a student at a 2 year or 4 year college and you were not suspended or expelled and you did not drop out then you will continue to be 'a student' whether you are enrolled or not. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right? So this means that you do not qualify for aid. You must be suspended, expelled, graduate or drop out to qualify for aid again. That's the way to support education? LOL! If you just couldn't afford a semester or lost your transportation or were sick or any number of other issues people face daily then you are still fucked. But if you 'drop out' you lose all your funding for the future. Same thing if you are suspended or expelled.. Our system supports these negatives. Amazing.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/students
Most able-bodied students ages 18 through 49 who are enrolled in college or other institutions of higher education at least half time are not eligible for SNAP benefits. However, students may be able to get SNAP benefits if otherwise eligible and they:
Get public assistance benefits under a Title IV-A program;
THIS IS A LIE. THE PROGRAMS ARE LISTED BUT ONLY ONE- FEDERAL WORK STUDY- IS ACKNOWLEDGED. THIS WAY THEY CAN DENY YOU IN BETWEEN SEMESTERS AND SUCH, THEY ONLY ACKNOWLEDGE SEMESTERS WHEN THEY CAN USE THEM TO WORK AROUND THE TITLE IV-A CLAUSE. OTHERWISE, THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE SEMESTERS, VACATION TIME, OR RECESS SO BASICALLY THEY ACCEPT NOTHING AS NON-SCHOOL TIME EXCEPT WHEN IT AFFECTS TITLE IV-A.
Take part in a State or federally financed work study program; THIS IS WHAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGE. GRANTS AND SUCH DO NOT GET ACKNOWLEDGED AT ALL UNTIL IT COMES TO WHAT CAN AND CAN NOT BE JUDGED AS INCOME AGAINST YOUR AID. IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT THEY SAY YOUR GRANTS CAN NOT BE USED AGAINST YOUR HOUSEHOLDS INCOME LIMITS. BUT IF YOU ARE IN SCHOOL AND GETTING THESE GRANTS THEN YOU ARE ALSO BEING FORCED TO WORK A MINIMUM OF 20 HOURS A WEEK, SO YOUR AID IS NOW DROPPED TO AT LEAST HALF OF WHAT IT WAS, WHICH EQUATES TO MAYBE $90 OR LESS IN SNAP/FOODSTAMPS A MONTH. NOT REALLY WORTH THE HASSLE RIGHT?
Work at least 20 hours a week; <<<<<< AND THERE IT IS
Are taking care of a dependent household member under the age of 6;
Are taking care of a dependent household member over the age of 5 but under 12 and do not have adequate child care to enable them to attend school and work a minimum of 20 hours, or to take part in a State or federally financed work study program; or
Are assigned to or placed in a college or certain other schools through:
A program under the Workforce Investment Act of 1998, <<<<MEANING VOCATIONAL SCHOOL
A program under Section 236 of the Trade Act of 1974,
>>>>Sec. 31-236-57. Eligibility of an individual in training approved under the Trade Act
of 1974
a. The Administrator shall not deny benefits to an otherwise eligible individual for any
week because he is in training approved under Section 236(a)(1) of the Trade Act of
1974, or because he left work to enter such training, provided the work left is not
suitable work, or because, during any week he was in such training, the
Administrator found he was unavailable for work, failed to make reasonable efforts
to obtain work or refused to accept work.
b. For purposes of this regulation, "suitable work" means, with respect to an
individual, work of a substantially equal or higher skill level than the individual’s
past adversely affected employment, as defined for purposes of the Trade Act of
1974, and wages for such work at not less than eighty percent of the individual’s
average weekly wage as determined for purposes of the Trade Act of 1974.<<<< UM, AND WHEN HAS A CERTIFICATE REALLY MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IN TODAYS NEW WORLD? THAT IS WITHOUT THE THOUSANDS IN DEBT THE STUDENT WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE ON. YOU WOULD THINK GETTING AN ACTUAL DEGREE WOULD FALL UNDER THIS ACT THESE DAYS. EMPLOYERS ARE REQUIRING A DEGREE TO FLIP BURGERS IN MANY CASES.
An employment and training program under the Food Stamp Act, or <<<<MEANING VOCATIONAL SCHOOL
An employment and training program operated by a State or local government. <<<<MEANING VOCATIONAL SCHOOL
Also, a single parent enrolled full time in college and taking care of a dependent household member under the age of 12 can get SNAP benefits if otherwise eligible. AND HERE IS WHERE THOSE KIDS COME IN TO PLAY AGAIN....
http://foodstampguide.org/11a-special-rules-for-students/
Exceptions
Individuals can get food stamps if they meet one of the following requirements. [7 C.F.R. §§ 273.5 (b); MPP § 63-406.211.]
LIES!
Employed 20 hours a week based on a reasonably anticipated monthly average [ACL 12-37]; or
Receiving federal or state work-study money. AND HERE IS WHERE YOU FIND THE LIE>>>>>>“Receiving” means when the student is approved for state or federally work study (NO MENTION OF THOSE GRANTS AND STUFF HERE, HUH?!) for the current school term, and anticipates working during the term. The exemption begins the month the school term starts or the month work study is approved, whichever is later. The exemption continues until the end of the month the school term ends [MPP § 63-406.212]; or
63-406 STUDENTS (Continued) 63-406
.121 If mental or physical unfitness for employment is claimed and the unfitness is not
evident to the CWD, verification shall be required. Appropriate verification may consist
of receipt of temporary or permanent disability benefits issued by governmental or
private sources, or a statement from a physician or licensed or certified psychologist. ( I WAS NEVER ASKED ABOUT THIS NOR WAS I TOLD WHY I WAS BEING DENIED AND FINED FOR THE TEMPORARY AID RECEIVED UNTIL AFTER BEING BILLED AND AFTER MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS NOT GRANTED I WAS FORCED TO DO THE RESEARCH YOU ARE NOW READING JUST TO UNDERSTAND AND CLARIFY WHAT THISBITCH PERSON WAS BASING HER CLAIM ON. SO I AM A STUDENT EVEN THOUGH I WAS NOT REGISTERED OR ENROLLED IN ANY COURSES OVER THE SEMESTER IN PROGRESS AT THE TIME OF MY REQUEST FOR AID BASED ON THIS PILE OF BULLSHIT THAT SOME ASSHOLES BUREAUCRATS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE POOR PEOPLE. AMAZING HOW MUCH TIME COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED IF SHE HAD DONE HER JOB AND ANSWERED MY NUMEROUS REQUESTS FOR CLARIFICATION. THAT LACK OF AN ANSWER THOUGH, THAT WAS AGAINST THE RIGHTS OF THE APPLICANT. SHE IS REQUIRED TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, WHICH SHE DID NOT. SO I AM FUCKED BUT MAYBE THIS WILL BE A TINY LOOPHOLE? I DOUBT IT BUT CRAZIER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.)
.2 Eligibility Requirements.
.21 In order to be eligible to participate in the Food Stamp Program, any student (as defined in
Section 63-406.1) shall meet at least one of the following criteria on the date of the interview:
.211 Be employed for a minimum of twenty hours per week and be paid for such employment
or, if self-employed, be employed for a minimum of 20 hours per week and receive gross
weekly earnings at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 20 hours;
(See Section 63-408.111 and Section 63-502.112).
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63-406 STUDENTS (Continued) 63-406
.212 Be approved for state or federally financed work study for the current school term, as
defined by the institution, and anticipate working during the term.
The exemption begins the month the school term starts or the month work study is
approved, whichever is later. The exemption continues until the end of the month the
school term ends, or it becomes known that the student refused a work assignment.
The exemption shall not continue between terms when there is a break of a full month or
longer unless the student is participating in work study during the break.
22 The enrollment status of a student shall begin on the first day of the school term of the institution
of higher education. Once a student enrolls in an institution of higher education, such enrollment
shall be deemed to continue through normal periods of class attendance, vacation and recess
unless the student graduates, is suspended or expelled or drops out.
.221 Student eligibility criteria shall be applied on the date of the interview to all applicants
who are students as defined in Section 63-406.1. The student eligibility criteria shall
also be applied on the date of the interview to all applicants who are noncontinuing
students in the final month of student status. <<<< SO I ASSUME THIS WOULD MEAN THE DROP-OUTS, GRADUATES, SUSPENDED OR EXPELLED? NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ENROLLED IN CLASSES FOR THE PREVIOUS/CURRENT SEMESTER. WHAT A FUCKING PILE OF BULLSHIT.
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Now tell me the system doesn't need to be fixed. Tell me it isn't broken. Tell me there is logic in this system. And if you still are not convinced then let me add that if a person chooses to just sit and rot on aid then they can. All the better for them. Then they do not have the plethora of hoops to jump through to better their situation. And if you add popping out a kid here and there a person can have a pretty cush life. A struggling life but still one not lacking in food, cash, medical, education (if you can really call it that), and any other number of options to pick from.... And with all the bitching and complaining this nation does about having to aid the poor, they punish the poor for what the government has created. For what the government has forced them to choose from. From what the government chooses to support. IT IS YOUR GOVERNMENT THAT IS FUCKING YOU!! IT IS NOT THE POOR! WAKE THE FUCK UP!
22 The enrollment status of a student shall begin on the first day of the school term of the institution
of higher education. Once a student enrolls in an institution of higher education, such enrollment
shall be deemed to continue through normal periods of class attendance, vacation and recess
unless the student graduates, is suspended or expelled or drops out.
So, to clarify this bit from the State Food Stamp Regulation Manual- if you were a student at a 2 year or 4 year college and you were not suspended or expelled and you did not drop out then you will continue to be 'a student' whether you are enrolled or not. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right? So this means that you do not qualify for aid. You must be suspended, expelled, graduate or drop out to qualify for aid again. That's the way to support education? LOL! If you just couldn't afford a semester or lost your transportation or were sick or any number of other issues people face daily then you are still fucked. But if you 'drop out' you lose all your funding for the future. Same thing if you are suspended or expelled.. Our system supports these negatives. Amazing.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/students
Most able-bodied students ages 18 through 49 who are enrolled in college or other institutions of higher education at least half time are not eligible for SNAP benefits. However, students may be able to get SNAP benefits if otherwise eligible and they:
Get public assistance benefits under a Title IV-A program;
THIS IS A LIE. THE PROGRAMS ARE LISTED BUT ONLY ONE- FEDERAL WORK STUDY- IS ACKNOWLEDGED. THIS WAY THEY CAN DENY YOU IN BETWEEN SEMESTERS AND SUCH, THEY ONLY ACKNOWLEDGE SEMESTERS WHEN THEY CAN USE THEM TO WORK AROUND THE TITLE IV-A CLAUSE. OTHERWISE, THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE SEMESTERS, VACATION TIME, OR RECESS SO BASICALLY THEY ACCEPT NOTHING AS NON-SCHOOL TIME EXCEPT WHEN IT AFFECTS TITLE IV-A.
Take part in a State or federally financed work study program; THIS IS WHAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGE. GRANTS AND SUCH DO NOT GET ACKNOWLEDGED AT ALL UNTIL IT COMES TO WHAT CAN AND CAN NOT BE JUDGED AS INCOME AGAINST YOUR AID. IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT THEY SAY YOUR GRANTS CAN NOT BE USED AGAINST YOUR HOUSEHOLDS INCOME LIMITS. BUT IF YOU ARE IN SCHOOL AND GETTING THESE GRANTS THEN YOU ARE ALSO BEING FORCED TO WORK A MINIMUM OF 20 HOURS A WEEK, SO YOUR AID IS NOW DROPPED TO AT LEAST HALF OF WHAT IT WAS, WHICH EQUATES TO MAYBE $90 OR LESS IN SNAP/FOODSTAMPS A MONTH. NOT REALLY WORTH THE HASSLE RIGHT?
Work at least 20 hours a week; <<<<<< AND THERE IT IS
Are taking care of a dependent household member under the age of 6;
Are taking care of a dependent household member over the age of 5 but under 12 and do not have adequate child care to enable them to attend school and work a minimum of 20 hours, or to take part in a State or federally financed work study program; or
Are assigned to or placed in a college or certain other schools through:
A program under the Workforce Investment Act of 1998, <<<<MEANING VOCATIONAL SCHOOL
A program under Section 236 of the Trade Act of 1974,
>>>>Sec. 31-236-57. Eligibility of an individual in training approved under the Trade Act
of 1974
a. The Administrator shall not deny benefits to an otherwise eligible individual for any
week because he is in training approved under Section 236(a)(1) of the Trade Act of
1974, or because he left work to enter such training, provided the work left is not
suitable work, or because, during any week he was in such training, the
Administrator found he was unavailable for work, failed to make reasonable efforts
to obtain work or refused to accept work.
b. For purposes of this regulation, "suitable work" means, with respect to an
individual, work of a substantially equal or higher skill level than the individual’s
past adversely affected employment, as defined for purposes of the Trade Act of
1974, and wages for such work at not less than eighty percent of the individual’s
average weekly wage as determined for purposes of the Trade Act of 1974.<<<< UM, AND WHEN HAS A CERTIFICATE REALLY MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IN TODAYS NEW WORLD? THAT IS WITHOUT THE THOUSANDS IN DEBT THE STUDENT WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE ON. YOU WOULD THINK GETTING AN ACTUAL DEGREE WOULD FALL UNDER THIS ACT THESE DAYS. EMPLOYERS ARE REQUIRING A DEGREE TO FLIP BURGERS IN MANY CASES.
An employment and training program under the Food Stamp Act, or <<<<MEANING VOCATIONAL SCHOOL
An employment and training program operated by a State or local government. <<<<MEANING VOCATIONAL SCHOOL
Also, a single parent enrolled full time in college and taking care of a dependent household member under the age of 12 can get SNAP benefits if otherwise eligible. AND HERE IS WHERE THOSE KIDS COME IN TO PLAY AGAIN....
http://foodstampguide.org/11a-special-rules-for-students/
Exceptions
Individuals can get food stamps if they meet one of the following requirements. [7 C.F.R. §§ 273.5 (b); MPP § 63-406.211.]
LIES!
Employed 20 hours a week based on a reasonably anticipated monthly average [ACL 12-37]; or
Receiving federal or state work-study money. AND HERE IS WHERE YOU FIND THE LIE>>>>>>“Receiving” means when the student is approved for state or federally work study (NO MENTION OF THOSE GRANTS AND STUFF HERE, HUH?!) for the current school term, and anticipates working during the term. The exemption begins the month the school term starts or the month work study is approved, whichever is later. The exemption continues until the end of the month the school term ends [MPP § 63-406.212]; or
63-406 STUDENTS (Continued) 63-406
.121 If mental or physical unfitness for employment is claimed and the unfitness is not
evident to the CWD, verification shall be required. Appropriate verification may consist
of receipt of temporary or permanent disability benefits issued by governmental or
private sources, or a statement from a physician or licensed or certified psychologist. ( I WAS NEVER ASKED ABOUT THIS NOR WAS I TOLD WHY I WAS BEING DENIED AND FINED FOR THE TEMPORARY AID RECEIVED UNTIL AFTER BEING BILLED AND AFTER MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS NOT GRANTED I WAS FORCED TO DO THE RESEARCH YOU ARE NOW READING JUST TO UNDERSTAND AND CLARIFY WHAT THIS
.2 Eligibility Requirements.
.21 In order to be eligible to participate in the Food Stamp Program, any student (as defined in
Section 63-406.1) shall meet at least one of the following criteria on the date of the interview:
.211 Be employed for a minimum of twenty hours per week and be paid for such employment
or, if self-employed, be employed for a minimum of 20 hours per week and receive gross
weekly earnings at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 20 hours;
(See Section 63-408.111 and Section 63-502.112).
CALIFORNIA-DSS-MANUAL-FS
MANUAL LETTER NO. FS-03-03 Effective 9/8/03
Page 177 FOOD STAMP REGULATIONS
63-406 (Cont.) ELIGIBILITY STANDARDS Regulations
63-406 STUDENTS (Continued) 63-406
.212 Be approved for state or federally financed work study for the current school term, as
defined by the institution, and anticipate working during the term.
The exemption begins the month the school term starts or the month work study is
approved, whichever is later. The exemption continues until the end of the month the
school term ends, or it becomes known that the student refused a work assignment.
The exemption shall not continue between terms when there is a break of a full month or
longer unless the student is participating in work study during the break.
22 The enrollment status of a student shall begin on the first day of the school term of the institution
of higher education. Once a student enrolls in an institution of higher education, such enrollment
shall be deemed to continue through normal periods of class attendance, vacation and recess
unless the student graduates, is suspended or expelled or drops out.
.221 Student eligibility criteria shall be applied on the date of the interview to all applicants
who are students as defined in Section 63-406.1. The student eligibility criteria shall
also be applied on the date of the interview to all applicants who are noncontinuing
students in the final month of student status. <<<< SO I ASSUME THIS WOULD MEAN THE DROP-OUTS, GRADUATES, SUSPENDED OR EXPELLED? NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ENROLLED IN CLASSES FOR THE PREVIOUS/CURRENT SEMESTER. WHAT A FUCKING PILE OF BULLSHIT.
CALIFORNIA-DSS-MANUAL-FS
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